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reboot68
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posted 03-06-2006 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for reboot68   Click Here to Email reboot68     Edit/Delete Message
I lived with an very mentally and physically abusive alcoholic who watch "She Devil with Roseann Barr" and he made sure he would damage me for the rest of my life. I have four children with him and had not worked in years. When we broke up we had a 353 morg and he drove us from our home by coming in while we were at church and distroyed everything. I had to leave for our safety but no one wanted any of us. None of this came up in court. My older sister said she would help me and so I worked very hard to save money to get a place for us. I did not stay at her place because she screamed at me all the time but my children stayed with her. She screamed at me for money and got mad and turned me so I lost my children. My ex was on protective order and I had to run constantly from him finding me. He would break in anywhere I was and call up people's number's and threaten to kill them and their children if anyone helped me. Well I lost my children and I had no money to fight "the system". They charged me with abandonment and I have been in counseling for years. The children are with a rich family who has had them for eight years now. I have been paying support off/on when I have employment but I cannot get on my feet to try to do anything. They have not and do not go after my x. They never have! I have turned him in and if he had paid me support then I would not have lost all my children. They tell my children they are going after him but they do not. They lie and decieve my children and they will not allow me to be alone with them at all. I am constantly being hounded for support and pay. The people who have them have turned all of my children against me. They tell them their parents are evil and when I call they do not wish to talk with me. When I get to see them once every three six months, they act stuck up and indifferent. These people attend church and are full of lies and deceit. The children have spoke with my mother and told her that they were told not to say anything about what goes on in the house or they will be split up forever. So they are scared and walk the line but after years and years when I called them they compared me to her and state how classy she is and wonderful and how I am so undesirable compared to her.
Frankly I am sick of not seeing them and paying and paying and having them hound me constantly. I am tired of fighting and I cannot have a relationship because I am always next to tears. I did not want to give up but I do not see them and they do not desire to speak with me. They live in a rich house around wealthy people. My oldest daughter looked through papers and found out that they get 1300 per child (x4) a month for foster care. I pay 1300 a month and work two jobs so they get more because I am not employed very long because I am a contractor. I am at wits end and I cannot fight these people. They are lying and decieving them but I cannot fight this any longer. I WANT OUT. I WANT TO HAVE A LIFE AND NOT BE IN TEARS ANY LONGER. My children where once very sweet and innocent but now they lie and are indifferent. They told me they have a mother and father and don't want the likes of me. They love living with rich people. I want to find out how to stop paying support. I am not wanted by them and they want nothing to do with a poor mother. They tell all their friends they where adopted. I want to stop paying and get a life. Why should I continue to be treated like crap and drained dry. I am always crying and upset after 8 1/2 years it has only gotten horrible. What would you do? How can I find out how to end this nightmare?

Bluebird
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posted 03-07-2006 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluebird   Click Here to Email Bluebird     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,

Why were your children taken from you in the first place? From what you wrote I'm understanding that you were accused of abandonment while they were living with your sister and you were running for your life. Is that right?

If you have a job now, why can't you get your children back? Why are your children stuck in the foster care system?

The foster family is getting richer every day just having YOUR children live with them. They have every incentive to lie and cheat and milk the system-- and manipulate your children.

I can't imagine that you'll ever rest peacefully as long as this is going on. I hope you'll find the strength to fight to get your children back.

If you don't want to get your children back, I think you can relinquish your parental rights and let them be adopted by someone.

Suzanne
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posted 03-07-2006 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Suzanne   Click Here to Email Suzanne     Edit/Delete Message
WOW great advice Bluebird... I wanted to answer but didn't have the words for this one. Yours were PERFECT!

reboot68
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posted 03-14-2006 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for reboot68   Click Here to Email reboot68     Edit/Delete Message
I would like to fight like HELL to get them back but I haven't the money. These people are getting 1,300 dollars per child (times 4 children a month) They live in a HUGE house and they are RICH. This couple that has them uses everything in their power to lie and decieve my children and now my children are 17, 16, 14, 12 who have been taught that both of their parents are worthless and do not love them. My oldest daughter told me she has parents now and wants nothing to do with me. Why should I continue paying support for children who tell everyone they go to school with that they are adopted. I am drained dry and I work two jobs and go to college to better myself but nothing works. They constantly refer to me as crap and they treat me like I murdered someone. I never abused my children but left them in my sisters care who wanted me to give up rights to them so she could collect money. I would not so behind my back she took them to SS and turned me in. She has always been a little esentric but I desperately needed help.

My X was very mentally and physically abusive and I am still scared of him. I want to get rid of all these monkeys off my back. I love my children very much and they have been in foster care for eight years now and I have no one to help me. When I had them everyone told me they didn't want a woman in their home with four children, plus having my X break in and then call and threaten their lives and their children's lives. He was crazy and he kept telling my daughters that he was going to kill me. He had handcuffs hanging on his visor and would whisper to her how he was going to kill me. He purchased a gun during one of his visits with them and told my daughters that I would never know when I was going to die and he would handcuff me so I would not run away. I went to court and my four year old told the judge, while staring at her father what he was doing. Didn't matter he still got visitation and NONE OF THIS CAME OUT IN THE COURT SYSTEM after they were taken away. Even though I had a protective order against him. I STILL FEARED THAT HE WOULD COME BACK and the system keeps me so poor that I haven't the money to fight "the system". I need a lawyer and I cannot afford a good one.
Where can I find a person who would help me with the legal system to find out what I can do? It does not look like I can afford to ever fight this. I have no man in my life and I cannot because I do not wish to place all of this hell on someone. I am at wits end because I am tired of being drained emotionally, physically and being hounded by email, mail and at my employment all the time. They DO NOT go after my X who I did a search on and found him living in Las Vegas. If the system had of done something when I had my children I would never of lost them but no one would help then and they will not now. It is all about "THE MONEY" and they will not give up sucking me dry. I just cannot take this pain forever. I have been in therapy since this happen. I cannot have friends, and I am an outcast in society the minute anyone finds out. I was going to the same church as my children and the foster people but she had me kicked out of the church... she has more money and my contribution wasn't as good as hers so OUT I WENT and I begged to just come to Sunday school. I will not attend church now at all.
Frankly, I need legal assistance and if anyone can help me with this, I could not thank you enough.

Bluebird
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posted 03-17-2006 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluebird   Click Here to Email Bluebird     Edit/Delete Message
I don't even know you and I feel the same way you do... you have such a burden on you with all of this. It just breaks my heart that all of this could happen to someone. I really believe that justice does NOT alway prevail and that sometimes good people really get screwed.

Have you talked to different attorneys to see if there is one who would help you at a discounted rate-- or even pro bono?

I almost always side with children, but I think in this case that maybe you're being treated unfairly by your kids, too. If they saw the way your ex treated you, and they know how cruel he was, it seems like they'd be a little more understanding of your position.

I heard someone say years ago that if things just don't seem to add up, if something seems ridiculousy illogical, there is almost always a money trail. Sadly, I think that is much of what is going on here. The foster parents, your kids and, at one point even your sister, seem to be driven by greed for money.

I am struggling to find words of comfort but all I can come up with is agreement with you-- I'd want these monkeys off my back, too. You've gone through enough! It's your turn-- some how, some way-- for some peace of mind and happiness.

I mentioned relinquishing your parental rights in my first post as a way for you to finally be able to get your life started. If you don't have the resources to fight the system (and it's a monster of a system), maybe that would be a possibility for you. I know that would be heartbreaking, but what are the alternatives that would actually help you? I think you need a break and a chance at a better life. You're doing everything in your power to be safe, productive, and sincere. If these kids can't see that, maybe they would be better off with Mr. and Mrs. Money.

Please remember you're in my thoughts and prayers.

manystepsahead
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posted 03-21-2006 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manystepsahead     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, I would like to first state that "bluebird" seems very empathetic in everything I have read and many great points have been made. I have had experience in the legal system of Canada and continue to do research through articles in the states. Overall in this situation your best bet maybe to find a way to get your life together. It is not all about the money it never is. People have ups and downs for various reasons that can normally be related to money in one way or another. In order for the legal system to take you seriously you need to have all of your ducks in a line. A home that can house all of your children will no doubt be a necessity. An income that can support your children will be another necessity. A mother that is mentally stable is another necessity. And most of all an environment that is safe for your children is 100% necessary. If your x husband is any kind of a threat to you that means your children are in danger. This is something that needs to be handled before you consider raising your children. They do not need to see their momma threatened, hurt or worse. This would cause almost as much damage to them as it would to you.
Take control of your life, get a restraining order on your x husband and if necessary put him in jail. Find a way to get a home that can house your children or at least show that you could afford it if you were to get them back. Show to the judge that you are a loving and caring mother who puts the best interests of her child before her own. And if worse comes to worse and your children make the choice to not come back and live with you, continue to be a positive part of their lives and give them credit for the intelligence that they have to make their own decision when they see their mother working so hard to be the very best mother that she can be. One more note, let kids be kids, let them enjoy life, do not bring them into the drama. Let them enjoy their mother and all the great things about her including her amazing strenght to fight through the most challenging battle and come out on top at the end. You may not have custody of your children right now but you can still be their most positive influence by showing them amazing strenght and unconditional love. Tell them that they can say whatever they want about you but you are still going to love them and be the very best part of their life that you can be.
I really hope everything works out the best it can for you and your children. If there is one thing that has been shown to us these days is that families can function in many different ways. Take each day one at a time and stay strong!

Bluebird
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posted 03-24-2006 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluebird   Click Here to Email Bluebird     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with reboot getting control of her life, being responsible, etc., but she's got too much pressure for any one human to bear--she can't fly across the stage with a rose between her teeth. Getting a job and housing 4 children takes education, job skills-- and a job offer. Getting her ex to stop threatening her and putting him in jail is wishful thinking. He's gotten away with so much so far-- this is far easier said than done. As for showing her children unconditional love, I completely agree. Maybe she has all along-- the situation is very complex and money, sadly, does talk.

I think what you're saying is inspiring-- but all of it is just not realistic all at once. She's just one person and she's been through a lot... she needs workable solutions. I think task #1 is getting the money-hungry mongers off her back. Then she can start to put her own life together. She's bleeding to death under all this pressure.

kedcse
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posted 03-24-2006 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kedcse     Edit/Delete Message
First, I think it's important that you totally forget about your x and his responsiblity to pay the child support. That is an issue you don't have to deal with. In many states, child support is based on your ability to pay in accordance with your income, so it's not necessary to worry about his support or lack thereof, as it wouldn't have any bearing on what you would pay..Secondly, I have worked in the social services system for quite some time. Most states are in favor of reuniting the children with a responsible parent who has followed the program the court outlined. You state the children have been in foster care for 8 years which leads me to believe you haven't done everything the courts have asked. There is something that's not being done on your part.Thirdly, $1400/mnth for 4 kids is a better deal than having them live with you. Anyway,the tax payers are picking up the tab of $1400/mnth for each child, so consider the $1400 you pay some reimbursement. Forthly, if you feel strongly about giving up your parental rights(and the decision shouldn't be made because you're obligated to pay child support), you need to get in contact with the social worker and let them know.

Bluebird
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posted 03-25-2006 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluebird   Click Here to Email Bluebird     Edit/Delete Message
I know a woman who had 5 children over the past 18 years. Her oldest is 18, her youngest is 4. She is raising the 4-year-old. Her life was pretty messed up when she was younger. Her oldest has lived with his father since he was 4 years old. The father-- and my friend's mother-- told the boy that his mother did not love him and did not want him. Her life might have been a mess, but those were all lies. The boy was kept from contact with her for years--- her letters to him were returned unopened and phone numbers and addresses were always hidden.

She had another child, a girl, who she placed for adoption. 3 years later she had another child (all children from different fathers). My friend and the child's father were messed up in drugs then, and were not caring for the boy. My friend's mother took the boy and has raised him since he was 8 weeks old-- he's now 11. All these years, he's been told that his mother didn't love or want him. The boy was taken from her and hidden for 11 years-- even since she's straightened her life out!

She had another boy that she gave up for adoption and then ended up in prison for 2 years on drug charges. That is when her life turned around. She had counseling, she found God, she confronted and paid all the emotional prices for her actions.

After prison she had another girl, who she has been raising. She's trying so hard to get her life together (no small task considering she was beaten and abused as a child).

She has tried and tried for several years to communicate with her mother, her child's father, and her children. No one would listen respond to her at all. To add to it, she's been being charged for child support for years and years--- to a child she's not even granted a second of visitation (her mother is basically hiding her 11-year-old son and it appears that she may have acted illegally all these years). My friend has scant work skills, is an emotional mess over her children, and is $70,000 in arrears for back child support and she can barely support herself.

She's between a rock and a hard place much like you, reboot. My point in telling you all of this is to try and say that, even if you do the things you're supposed to, you probably don't have money to fight a system that, in my opinion, doesn't really hear the whole individual case-- everything is by the book. If the system were fair, you would have received protection from your ex a long time ago.

True, you're expected to demonstrate that you're emotionally stable, mature, and capable of providing for your children.
But, with all this pressure, just how is this done? kedsce-- in the court's view, is she competing with the foster family at this point? My friend can't even begin to pay for attorney's fees to settle this mess with her mother.

My friend couldn't break the ice with her mother, ex, and children. It is only now-- with her oldest turning 18, that things are beginning to turn around. He found her, went to visit her... and told her that he had been told all these years his mother didn't care and that she didn't want to see him. He couldn't accept their word for it and went to see her for himself. She was finally able to tell her son about her own mistakes, how sorry she was-- and that she had always loved him, had always tried (in vain) to contact him and show him unconditional love.

Sorry for rambling... but I've seen from experience that these situations are so complex--- and courts and officials want to hear a case, make a decision in a few minutes, and move on to the next case as quickly as possible.

There may be things reboot can do to start repairing this mess--- but my point is that the lies, manipulation, and abuse/fear of her ex all complicate the matter way beyond simple solutions.

Reboot--- are you telling us everything? What have you done to get your life together? Have you lived an honest, crime-free life and have you showed the courts as much? I work as a contractor (it's all I can get now-- companies are moving towards hiring contractors more and more), so I know how that feels. You're always losing a job sooner or later. The catch 22 is that they pay well... and well, you do have to eat and pay that support.

Your children will realize the truth one day, no matter what it is. They'll eventually want to hear your side. Everyone makes mistakes... to me, how you live today and tomorrow decides how much inner peace you're going to have. I hope you're being brutally honest with yourself-- are you living the kind of life now that you'll want to tell your children? Yesterday doesn't matter-- if you wronged them, tell them you're sorry and that you love them and always will. If you live an honest life, it will pay off in the end.

[This message has been edited by Bluebird (edited 03-25-2006).]

sandra
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posted 05-24-2006 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sandra   Click Here to Email sandra     Edit/Delete Message
reboot,
my brother is an attorney for the government, I dont know if he could help you but i believe if he can he would do it pro bono without any cost to you. I will ask him if he can help you at all, at least talk to you over email, or i can relay to you on this board what he said. If he can't help I will see if theres any references he has. THe other thing you should do is contact the bar assocation in your state and ask for 'pro bono' lawyers who do family law. You can also go to your domestic violence shelter locally, or call a local shelter and explain to them right off the bat that you are a victim of domestic violence and your children have been illegally**** taken from you. The foster system only does what they think they can--- you have RIGHTS as a victim of dom. violence....God bless

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