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atwitsend
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posted 05-15-2007 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for atwitsend   Click Here to Email atwitsend     Edit/Delete Message
My child and I have been going to counseling for months due to her defiance at home, kicking biting me, hours long of temper tantrums at the age 6. The counselor told me she thinks it is 50% inherited temperment for her father ( who angers quickly,etc) but she also thinks the other half is me not being consistent with discipline ( which I fully agree) So we tried posting the rules of the house and when she starts to act up, I am supposed to tell her " remember the rules" That did not work. Her father told her he thought she did not need counseling and that is was stupid. So for the last three weeks, it has been he--! She has been getting in trouble at school for grabbing things away for other students, not following directions, etc. At home, when I tell her no its either been hitting back or screaming or kicking for hours.

Now today the counselor tells me, let the 6 year old decide her own punishment for her behavoir- whether its no tv or in her room for thirty minutes. So she has power.

Then she tells me let her know who is in charge-- let her know you are supposed to have the power. I am so confused.

Tomorrow I will talk to her pediatrician- I think she is ready for medicine now that that it is happening in school.

Does anyone have a six year old that behaves this way?

mommyof2
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posted 05-15-2007 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mommyof2   Click Here to Email mommyof2     Edit/Delete Message
What you need is a behavior specialist to intervene not meds. I know exactly what you are going through; my son was just like that if not worse.

Is your daughter’s behavior affecting her learning? Does she have an IEP? Depending on your answers you may qualify to have the school district pay for a behavior specialist.

If you like I will be more than happy to talk with you.

Lisa

atwitsend
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posted 05-15-2007 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for atwitsend   Click Here to Email atwitsend     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for writing back. My daughter has no problem learning in school- she is in kindergarten only but has done her school work fine so far- she does hurry to get her homework done and is not the neatest. I would love any advice you can offer.

sandra
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posted 05-16-2007 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sandra   Click Here to Email sandra     Edit/Delete Message
because of the amount of time she rages for, you said 'hours', that should be a red flag for something more than just a discipline issue. Please check out bipolar in children under google, also look up bpkids.org, it is a very good site for this medical condition.
If** (please notice I said IF) she has somethign like bipolar (manic depression) or some other neuropsychiatric condition it's important to start treating it sooner rather than later.

mommyof2
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posted 05-16-2007 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mommyof2   Click Here to Email mommyof2     Edit/Delete Message
Start with positive reinforcement:

For instance tonight have her help you make dinner. Give her a simple task such as making the salad. She can ripe the lettuce up toss in the cherry tomatoes/olives/croutons (whatever it is that you put in your salads). Then be sure to tell her what a good job she did. Mmm that looks yummy. Then ask her would you like to set the table? If the answer is no then thank her for her work and allow her some plan time until dinner. If she says yes then hand her the plates, napkins, silverware and cups. Once again don’t forget to tell her what a great job she did. Then thank her for all her help. I guarantee that once you sit down for dinner she will be thrilled that she helped so her mood will be a positive one. Ask her how school was, and if she did any fun stuff. Let her know after dinner if she helps you clear the table you two can sit down to read a book or play a game together. Ask her if she would like that?

Start off simple: Make a chart or buy a calendar and some stickers. Let her know that each day she doesn’t hit she gets a sticker. And if she gets 4 stickers in one week she gets a treat. Once she has mastered this and she gets her first treat, raise the bar by adding, now if you get 4 stickers for not hitting and screaming at the end of the week you get a treat. High light the box that indicates the end of the week so she has a visual of the end date. For the first week where hitting is the only thing you are focusing on, don’t deny her a sticker because she screamed or threw something. You need to follow through at the end on the night by acknowledging that she didn’t hit. You have to focus on one thing at a time. Expecting her to stop everything cold turkey is setting her up for failure.

During this time it’s important that you set by example, such as overstress please and thank you. If she doesn’t here you say it, she’s not going to say it.

When she asks for something and doesn’t use please just simply say “what’s the magic word?” There is a game you can play which is like Simon says, but instead of saying Simon says, you just say “Please (insert instruction such has put you hand on your head) when she does the task you are to say “Thank you” and she can stop the task. Then sometime during the game give her a command without using “Please” if she does it you say I didn’t say “Please” Remind her in the beginning of the game that if you don’t say please she is not to do what you say. When you say thank you she can stop doing what you asked. Then let it be her turn.

You have to keep in mind that consistence is the key. It’s easy for us parents to let things slip by because we are too exhausted to deal with it thus making it that more difficult the next time.

You need to follow through on your consequences such as no tv or take away a toy for a day or if you use time outs use a timer so she can know how long. Start off with 6 min being that’s how old she is and 6 mins in her world is pretty long. Don’t start until she has cooperated meaning if she is screaming then the timer doesn’t start until she stops screaming. If she hits you, you are to go on your knees to get down to her level hold her by each wrest and look her in the eyes and let her know that she is not to hit in a firm but even tone without raising your voice. Screaming only escalates a situation.

Let her know it’s ok to be mad but she has to use her words. When she is upset she should say, “I’m angry” once she has voiced that you can in a normal voice say, “I can see that you’re angry”, “Why are you angry?” then let her talk and don’t interrupt. She needs to know that she is being heard. You can follow through by saying I’m sorry you had a bad day, or what do you think we can do to make it better? Ask her if she needs a hug? Be sure to go down to her level so that you two are seeing eye-to-eye.

Sorry if this was long but I can go on forever on this subject. I spend many years of hell before I got to the point that my kids are a pleasure to be with. No more calls from the school telling me to pick-up my child instead they send notes telling me what a pleasure he/she is to have in class. Keep in mind this is the same two kinds who my son before he was 3 got kicked out of preschool, and at age 6 give his aid a mild concussion, my daughter at age 8 pushed a girl from the top jungle bars at school out of pure anger and who had to be carried out on a stretcher. These are the same two kids that now have many friends and look forward to going to school and coming home to do there chores.

The bottom line it’s going to take a lot of hard work and determination from both of you.

Don’t be discouraged by set backs it’s just there way of testing you.

atwitsend
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posted 05-17-2007 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for atwitsend   Click Here to Email atwitsend     Edit/Delete Message
great advice, everyone!!!Thanks so much. I really could use it and will use every bit of it! I thought about bipolar also-- need to read more about though!

jules13
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posted 07-11-2007 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jules13     Edit/Delete Message
I can definitely relate to what you're going through. I have a wonderful, bright, often sweet 7 year old who throws tantrums like you wouldn't believe. She is well behaved at school and usually for other family members as well. I know that I am inconsistent with the discipline also. Some days I'm tired/lazy. I absolutely know that is wrong but it is so hard being the bad guy all the time.(my daughters dad maybe sees her once a year).We have done therapy and the counselor thought we needed to spend more quality time together but I think it's gone beyond that now and she has some real anger issues. She says she's mad at her dad and we've discussed that it's ok to be mad but we need to find other ways of venting frustration. I think we need to try therapy again because whatever I'm doing does not seem to be working. Hang in there--You're not the only one going through this!Let me know what happens

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